Ian Carver: A Better Way

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Ian:    Hello?

Jon:    Ian?  Jon Gilson.  How are you?

Ian:    Hey, Jon.  Good.  How are you?

Jon:    Good, man.  Good.  Just wanted to call today, talk a little bit about your history with CrossFit and your profession now and, you know, the interplay between the two.

Ian:    Yes, by all means.

Jon:    Tell me about the beginning of your career over there in Santa Cruz County.

Ian:    You know, I started - I went to work for the Sheriff's department in Santa Cruz County in 1997 and prior to that I'd been an elite level cyclist.  I'd raced in the U.S. and in Europe for amateur trade teams and for U.S. national team and a few races in Europe.  

I came back after an injury and pretty much just hung up the bike and got into law enforcement on a whim.  I went to work for Santa Cruz and started doing the job and realizing that there was probably going to be a need to change my fitness.  I was a pretty thin guy.  I was an endurance athlete and bad guys size you up real quick and dirty when they get a look at you.  If you're a skinny little guy, they're going to try to take you for a ride.  
    
With that in mind I made a lot of changes to how I was training and what I was doing as far as trying to stay strong and healthy and keep some maintenance of good fitness, and did the typical body building routine for quite a number of years.  And actually, before I had left Santa Cruz in 2002, I was up to about 205 and I was just the typical muscle-meathead kind of guy, but I felt good I thought and I thought I looked good and what not.  

I definitely felt a little more confident in the way I looked and the way I presented myself in the uniform.  So that was a good thing.  But there was some definite downsides to it as well.  And it just took a while to work through that and kind of figure that out and eventually find CrossFit, which came quite a few years later though.

Jon:    It sounds like you were in Santa Cruz at the kind of the - one of the nexuses, kind of a generation of CrossFitters that first became known nationwide and worldwide.  Did you ever make it over to the box in Santa Cruz in the early days?

Ian:    You know, it's funny because I, what was it?  I want to say '99 or 2000, Greg Amundson had come out of the academy and I had a couple (inaudible) and a couple grip with CrossFit folks and the one of them being Greg and the other one being Jason Highbarger from CrossFit in North Santa Cruz.  

 At that time  my wife and I were going to a gym pretty consistently on 41st Avenue there.  It was the Spa Fitness.  And Jason would be in there doing just this crazy stuff in the corner.  I mean he'd, you know, he's doing like Turkish getups with the barbell, standing on like one of those half bosu balls and just a lot of compound movements and just it was really bizarre.  

He'd always get the strange looks, but he was over there doing it every time we were in there.  And he would talk to me about it and I was kind of, "Yes, okay, okay.  Yes, it's cool.  Whatever."  About the same time I get Greg Amundson as a trainee and he comes into my car and he and I just hit it off great.  We're both real athletic and really into fitness and health.  We got along great.  He was getting involved in CrossFit roughly the same time.  

Greg had a reputation of doing some pretty outlandish training and being a real student of whatever game he was taking on.  He was talking to me about it and I just couldn't get it through my thick skull at the time.  I was like, "Hey, yes, it's great and all.  I've got some press downs to do, or something."  You know, I said, "I've got stuff to do, buddy."  

I stuck with my program. I never got a chance to really immerse myself in the CrossFit culture in Santa Cruz as it started up.  It wasn't until I got to Sacramento a number of years later that I actually took the dive into it.  It was, you know, obviously a shock.  Like, "Oh, man, what did I miss out on in the heyday?"  But as they say, it's better late than never, I guess.

Jon:    Absolutely.  When you were in Santa Cruz, you were a Patrol Officer?

Ian:    Yes, I worked in Patrol for five years and some change and I was a Field Training Officer there.  I also spent a year and a half on the SWAT team.  Through all those different requirements of my job, I could really see where the modality and the methodology of CrossFit came into play.  Was very important to combine not only strength, but endurance and stamina and the ability to function at a very high level in a very short timeframe and then be able to do again if necessary.  

During that tenure in Santa Cruz, I was constantly struggling once I kind of started with the concept of, hey, how do I combine, good power, good relative strength and endurance?  You do the typical lift and then cardio, lift and then cardio, whether you split it up on opposite days or whether you combine the two, which you know was more detrimental than it was good.  

But nonetheless it was a hard thing to figure out.  I remember vividly being on SWAT call outs loaded down, you know, 50 pounds of gear and just gasping, just an hour into it, whether you're sitting on a perimeter or whether you're moving around and shucking and jiving, I just remember being, "God, I'm getting tired."  I knew there had to be a better way.  

In Patrol you go from zero to 60.  You're out talking to somebody and the next thing you know it's a foot pursuit and you're going over fences and then you're getting in a fist fight.  That exact scenario happened to me prior to me leaving there one day.  That was really a changing life for me was getting into a fight with a guy that I chased for a long time, getting stuck in a backyard with him and just being in a literal toe-to-toe fist fight for about a minute and a half straight until the first units got there.  

It was going good.  It was going my way there for a while, but towards the end I knew I was gassing.  And I couldn't get out on the radio because he tore my radio off and it was starting to go south.  So thankfully the homeowner came out of the house and saw us.  I said, "Hey, call 911.  Tell them where I'm at."  And units got there.  

But had that gone on longer, I don't know what would have happened.  This guy was pretty big and he was holding his ground and so was I.  But at some point in time I knew it was going to go downhill.  So I definitely made some changes after that.

Jon:    Did you realize that your fitness wasn't quite up to par at that point?  Is it something that you realized in retrospect?  I mean, was that really a big catalyst for you, Ian?

Ian:    Huge, huge.   That was - if nothing else, going on SWAT calls is one thing, but I thought, "Okay, maybe I need to up my running, get back on the bike," whatever.  But then when I actually had the chance to - not necessarily by looking for it, but I'd be stuck in the opportunity of having to go through multiple modalities.  

Literally, we ran for, no joke, about a quarter mile.  We jumped a couple fences.  We got in the back yard and we fought.  And that right there is saying, "Hey, I had to run.  I had to climb over things.  And then I had to go toe-to-toe with somebody."  So I combined all these different elements of fitness and requirements of fitness into one big package all the sudden that was going to either be a win or lose situation for me.  

Win or lose law enforcement combat in public, it’s not go home as the loser.  It's you don't go home.  And that right there, with him latched onto my gun, grabbing for my gun in that backyard and me doing all I could to fight this guy off and keep myself safe was the catalyst for me to go, "Okay, this is not the right way to train.  There's got to be a better way.  I know it's out there somewhere.  Now what do I do?"  

And so I tinkered with doing my own thing, but not to the same degree and intensity as CrossFit.  It wasn't until I got involved with CrossFit in late '04 that I really started to see things come about and really started to understand how it comes together and what makes it work as well as it does.

Jon:    You were in Sacramento at this point.  You transferred from Santa Cruz up to Sacramento?

Ian:    Yes.  In 2002, just because the cost of living in the Bay area was so ungodly high, my wife and I packed up.  We came out to Sacramento and I went to work for the Sheriff's department, where I still am.  I'd heard again about CrossFit through a couple people that I worked with and I said, "You know, we'll see.  We'll see.  We'll see."  

And then finally, after a couple years of being here - in fact, I got back on the bike and raced for a year.  I think it was in '03.  And I'd been off the bike for six, seven, eight years.  I forgot how hard it was.  I still wanted to be competitive and do things that I enjoyed doing, but being a lot bigger and not quite the athlete I was.  It was hard for me to find something that I really I could fall into a niche with.

Finally in late '04 I started dabbling in CrossFit again.  I jumped into it full force pretty much in '05 and in all honesty, I've never looked back since then.  It's just been go, go, go.

Jon:    Tell me a little bit about what it is that you're doing now in Sacramento.

Ian:    Since I got into CrossFit I wanted to find a way to obviously get more out to the law enforcement masses, so to speak.  I wanted people to have an understanding of the importance of their fitness beyond arm curls, bench press, lat pull downs, you know.  And bring something more well-rounded.  That opportunity was really hard for me to come by up until about, God, I don't know.  I want to say it was about three years ago.  

Every other year the officers in the department - we have some 2,000 officers in the department – every other year we rotate through an advanced officer training course.  It's a weeklong series of classes and courses designed to teach handgun skills again and refreshers in legal updates and different topics.  One of those topics at the time was a health and wellness presentation put on by Lieutenant Rick Englemoyer.  He's a very athletic individual mountain biker.  He's a former college lacrosse player, nutrition degree in college, pretty squared away guy.

He's putting on this class and it was seeing some results, but he wanted to make it more.  He wanted to expound upon that.   So last year he really took it to the administration and said, "Look, I want to make this more of a department well-rounded issue.  I want to bring it out to the forefront, make a blog, make a newsletter, get a team of people dedicated doing presentations, you name it."  And that's what we did.  

I approached Rick.  I said, "Hey, I'd really like to be on this group.  Here are my backgrounds, my credentials as an athlete, as a scholar and understanding sports and the science behind it.  How can I help?"  We put together the Sheriff's Department Health and Wellness team.  It consisted of eight people.  One of our primary goals was educating the department in diet and fitness through the AOT classes, which are the Advanced Officer Training classes.

On every Wednesday afternoon myself and another instructor would trade-off teaching these classes.  We brought CrossFit and the Zone and Paleo principles to the masses.  Let me tell you, they had never ever heard of this stuff.  It was really like the first time they'd seen the light.  And even for Rick Englemoyer who was pretty well versed.  He was a vegetarian at the time and had his own mindset of fitness, which is the typical mindset of an endurance athlete or a strength athlete.  

I started talking to him about it and working with him on it and he jumped into it and went back to regular, diet, a Paleolithic diet including meat again and all of a sudden he started seeing improvements.  He was like, "Holy crap.  This really does work."

Throughout teaching these classes we began to see the light go on in people.  I mean, literally.  I'd sit there and I'd be - you know, doing a two-hour block there and a one-hour CrossFit functional fitness stuff and another hour of dietary stuff and you see the light bulb go on in people's heads.  It was really interesting.  They'd walk into a class and they didn't want to be there.  It was like, "Oh, my God.  What is this going to be about?  I mean, here's my life here I’m never going to get back.  What am I going to learn?"

You know, that's how you go to these classes.  You're like, "Oh geez, just kill me now.  Thank God I had to leave my gun in the car."  So we'd be in there and I'd start in on it.  All the sudden about five minutes into it you're starting to see their eyes perk up. They're all starting to sit up in their chairs.  You've got a classroom of 30 people that were about to fall asleep all now really listening to what you're saying.

That was huge because from that people began to contact us more about advice on training, whether it was, basic strength training or some sort of endurance-based training or weight, mix the modalities or CrossFit specific stuff.  Also more so about diets because God knows cops are generally - we're lousy with diets.  We're lousy with fitness as a whole.  People really want to make these changes.  And we started to.  We really started to make some great gains and great inroads into that.

Jon:    That's fantastic.  I mean, you've got your Police Officers not routinely, I wouldn't say, but on a regular basis coming toe-to-toe with those life and death situations, giving the tools they need to survive in there.  

Ian, let's just back it up just a step, though.  Where did you learn CrossFit originally?  Were you an internet guy?  Were you doing it in your basement?  Was there an Affiliate?

Ian:    Yes.  I - how did - I remember someone telling me...I think it was a partner of mine that I actually work on the K9 detail now.  It was Sean Hampton.  He said, "Hey, you know, so-and-so does CrossFit.  You should check it out, crossfit.com."  I went there and I went, "Okay, that's kind of interesting.  What the hell is a thruster?  What's a double under?  Okay, I’m bored."

And then I came back a couple months later and I surfed the net again.  I said, "Okay, I'm going to try this workout."  The first workout I ever did was a Filthy Fifty.  And…

Jon:    Good choice.

Ian:    Oh, dear God.  Yes, I was - we live in a gated community kind of out to the east of the foothills out here.  We have a little private gym out here by the little shopping center.  It's mainly populated by older folks who are retirement community.  I go in there and I do the Filthy 50 and, no joke, I get done.  I must have just looked like crap.  I mean, my forearm was feeling horrible and I was probably rhabdo about halfway through it but I get done and I literally collapse against the wall.

There's this old lady walking on a treadmill and she's watching me real suspiciously for about three minutes and she finally looks at me and says, "Hun, you want me to call 911?"  And I go, "Wow."  I must have looked bad.  For me that was kind of where it started.  Once I did that I said, "You know what?  I'm going to try this again."  And of course I made some modifications to what I was doing.  

I think with most people like, they get into it and they go pretty hard for the first few months.  It's a lot of, “Let's just do it because it's fun and exciting and it's something new.”  And then slowly gradually start really understanding the science and the concepts behind it.  You start seeing where the application's made alive.  For me, that was definitely where it was.  I started seeing where its application was and where I could take it.

We started - I was doing it here in the little gym here and then probably in, it was probably '06 or so we actually built a little garage gym.  We had a three and a half car garage where I cleaned out the half car side and made a real functional garage gym down there that my wife and I could use.  

From there, come last spring, my wife had been getting really heavily involved in CrossFit after the birth of our second child and she had lost a ton of weight and didn't look like a mom who had had two kids.  She was actually kind of on a play date with a bunch of other moms and their kids and they were asking how she was staying as fit as she was.  She told them CrossFit and all the sudden it was literally these people were like, "I want in.  Tell me how.  Tell me where."

For us, that was a catalyst there because we had - I talked to Coach Glassman several times before and had a great rapport with the man.  I talked to him one time about Affiliating and he said to me, he goes, "Ian, you'll know when the time is.  You'll know when it's right.  It'll hit you like a bolt of lightning.  You'll know when it's right."  
 
Allison had come home and told me about this and I was like, "That's the bolt of lightning.  That has to be it.  Let's go forward with it."  It's something we both wanted to do.  We just never knew how we would time it with two kids, two real young kids.  We're like, "Well, you know what?  Let's find out."

We did that.  We actually affiliated last summer, started in the garage.  And then at the beginning of this year we actually moved into a 2,800 square foot facility just about 15 minutes from our house and it's growing by leaps and bounds every day.  It's growing scary fast, actually.  So, but it's a good thing.

Jon:    That's fantastic.  And you're seeing kind of an amalgamation—are you seeing officers from the Sacramento Sheriff's Department as well as your wife's friends, as well as the public?  Who's coming in the door?

Ian:    You know, the majority of the folks we had were initially Fire guys.  We had a lot of interest, of course, from the department.  So we did get a few department personnel.  We retained our original handful of clients that we had that were just civilian clients.  And then we started getting a lot of fire, metro fire guys that started coming in.  We’ve got a couple that are just phenomenal athletes.  

One couple, John and Kim, they'll be going to the Qualifiers this year for NorCal; great athletes, unbelievable people.  They started drawing some more folks in.  Slowly we started getting more cops in there again.  And cops are kind of a hard sell, I think with anything.  Unless it's got the word "free" on it it's really hard to sell a cop on something.

Jon:    You know, we've found that as well.  And as you might imagine, I mean, I get a lot of questions in that they…as far as recruiting law enforcement officers to come to CrossFit.  How did you find that you were received in your AOT classes?  How are you finding getting these people to come in the door even with the in of being an officer yourself?

Ian:    Yes, that was tricky.  The AOT was pivotal in that because those AOT classes perked their ears up and they went on the internet and they went on our blog site.  They started digging around and the next thing you know they're sending me emails and they're saying, "Hey, can we set something up one-on-one?  Can we talk some more about it?"  

I actually started doing a lot of little mini-training sessions with folks one-on-one.  I had had my Level I Cert for a while and I was able to relay a lot of the information I had learned and get it to them.  Then when the affiliates started coming down the pipe it was, again - you've got to be careful where you tread with it, pushing business within a government job.  You've always got to watch after personal business.  

But nonetheless, I would put our blog site up there as, "Hey, you know, we have good information and links and articles up here.  And by all means, if there's something I can do for you, let me know."  That was where we started seeing people all of a sudden start getting in touch.  "Hey, I'd like to join.  What should I do?  What can I do?"  And I'd say, "All right, let's do a fundamentals class," etc., etc.  

We took that a step further as part of the Health and Wellness team.  We took that a step further and outside of the AOT classes we actually started doing presentations for divisions.  So a division would call me and say, "Hey, we want to have a diet and fitness presentation.  We want to come in."  

I did it for a handful of divisions and units.  I'd go out there and spend a couple of hours with them and chart dietary plans if they needed it and talk about the programming and how everything worked.  These guys started doing this stuff on their own at the station houses.  

And then, of course, like a lot of people do, they get to a point where they're like, "Hey, you know, I need a little extra coaching, guidance, help, motivation," whatever.  Then they start having more interest coming into a gym for training and coaching sessions.  And that was real big.  

By doing that we were able to really expand upon it.  We actually at the end of January held a 40-person, a four-hour block session of like a mini CrossFit fundamentals course basically.   We took everybody, gave them one hour PowerPoint presentation.  There were actually a handful of academy instructors that are Level I Certified.  

We all went out on the gym floor and we talked about the movements, we worked the movements, we went over everything, we ran them through a mini-workout.  And I'll tell you what.  That started a fire.  It started a huge fire.  People that weren't into it were totally into it.  People that were just getting into it just dove head first into it.  

So that's been very pivotal.  And from that, of course, people have come back to our affiliate with their family members or as referrals and it's grown in that regard quite well.

Jon:    That's fantastic.  Have you heard anecdotally or otherwise on-the-job support for what you're doing?   Are your charges starting to see the integration there between the on-the-job requirements and CrossFit?

Ian:    Yes, tremendously.  We have a lot of support.  We publish a newsletter every three months.  People read that thing like it's going out of style now.  They're really into it.  We get questions from that all the time.  

People are really starting to understand the application of functional fitness into what their job role is.  I mean, like I said, it's zero to 60.  And you can be required to do so much in such a little timeframe that can, honestly be life-saving, your own or someone else's.  You need to be up to the par to handle those tasks.  And people started to see that and they understood that.  

Many people really took to it.  And like I said, they'd go to station house gyms before they started their shift.  They'd go in there and they'd do a workout together.  I'm sure some are doing it just for fun and other ones really understand it.  But they're doing it.  That's the biggest plus is that they're doing it.  

They're changing the way they view fitness.  They're not worried about the mirror, the good looks—just have big biceps and a big chest.  They're worried about getting out of this alive and improving their health and their fitness and keeping one up on the bad guys.  

As cops in a tumultuous economic time right now, we definitely see a rise in crime.  We see a rise in violent crime.  We see a rise of crime against law enforcement.  So trust me, it's no joke when I say that we get out of the car and we don't know what's going to happen, especially these days.  There's so many guys more willing to take on cops than there used to be.

The penalties are higher and there's a lot more desperation.  So bad guys want to keep one up on us and I think now a lot of people are realizing that their fitness is a weak link.  They need to get one up.  They need to keep one up on the bad guys because you send a guy to jail and he's got nothing but 23 hours a day to do burpees and pushups and pull-ups in his jail cell.  

What a cop's doing most of the time they don’t want to do that.  They just don't want to work that hard that long, but if you show them a light, you show them a way, show them you can do, hey, 30, 40 minutes of, high intensity movement, even less.  Within one hour in and out my doors in my gym and I'm making you fitter, faster, stronger. They can prove that on the battlefield, so to speak, they really buy into it.  And that's exactly what we wanted.

Jon:    Very cool.  You’d mentioned something earlier that kind of intrigued me, the idea that they're more willing, the bad guys, that is, they're more willing to take you on if you're smaller.  CrossFit doesn't breed large monsters by and large.  Have you seen any issues with that, any protestations from the fitter officers that you do work with as far as size?

Ian:    It's kind of funny because I think although, yes, CrossFit's not going to make you a muscle-bound monster of any sort, so to speak.  But there is a degree of confidence and presence that an officer needs to have and bring to the uniform when he steps out of a car or deals with a violent situation or subject who's out of control.  That command presence is so important.  It is so important.  

For a lot of people, if you are unsure of your physical capabilities walking into a certain situation, what your limitations are, what your output and your abilities are, you are not going to have that command presence.  And I don't care what size you are.  I don't care if you're 250 pounds, yolked, 6 percent body fat.  If - you're just not going to have it.  

I've seen that.  I've seen guys who are big and thick but they're like, "I don't feel good here."  I've seen little thin toothpick guys who have great fitness walk in there and take charge, take control.  And if it goes to crap, then they can also handle it.  So funny thing is that CrossFit plays a very psychological game in how we handle ourselves as law enforcement officers.   

And anybody, whether it's a soccer mom, a business man or a cop, you're going to see a definite change in a person's confidence and ability when they realize they can get through something ugly like the Filthy Fifty or Murph or Fight Gone Bad.  You know, just some brutal workout.  And, of course, you know, you scale back their intensity level.  Intensity's relative to each person, but nonetheless, to them, that is a huge milestone.  

When they get that little bit of confidence they know, "Hey, I can understand, I can accept what my limitations are and I know where I can do.  And it's probably a hell of a lot more than the bad guy here."  They become so much more confident whether they're large or whether they're small.  We have thin guys out there who maybe weigh a buck-seventy, buck-sixty five.  But I'll tell you what.  They can put up one hell of a fight.  And they'll walk away the winner.  And I put money on that.  
    
My partners have proven that.  I've proven that coming back down to 178 pounds from 205 and I'm way fitter, faster, stronger than I ever was at my heavier weight.  My power-to-weight ratio, my relative strength is phenomenal compared to what it was way back then.  We see that all the time with the other guys who are following protocol.

Jon:    Sure.  Do you have any on-the-job anecdotes, stories of these guys coming through?  Anything that will really drive that point home?

Ian:    Yes.  We've had, in fact, just recently, number one, in the job that I do as a canine handler, it is extremely physical.  We've had a number of guys in the detail since I've kind of really pushed the Kool-Aid to everybody, they've had no choice.  But they'll go, "Okay, geez, I've got to shut this guy up so I'm going to try it."  A lot of them never turn back.  

They've gone on to their other assignments and other details and other specialized units.  They're like, "Hey, this is the way to fly because it puts the fitness into your job that you were lacking."  As a canine handler, for me, it became very evident when we would be out doing super high-risk searches, you're loaded down with body armor, helmet, guns, dogs.  You're climbing over a fence and putting dogs in attics, pushing through gates and just breaking through fences.  

You're finding the guy, your dog on the guy, and you're fighting with the guy and the dog and it's, you know, there's a lot that goes on there.  Over the course of this you've covered several miles, maybe at a jog, maybe at a run, God, who knows?  For those of us in positions like that definitely we saw it there.  

Also we've had other guys who have also started getting CrossFit come encounter within our agency and other local agencies.  Come encounter with some very dangerous, life threatening situations for themselves as well as the public, and a couple very recently within our own agency.  Our officers who were involved in those situations were able to take control of that situation, overpower the suspects who were planning on using deadly force against the officers and walk away from those situations unscathed.  

I talked to these officers afterwards.  I said, "You know, was fitness and the type of fitness that you have, the well-rounded fitness that you have now versus what you were - was that a part of it?"  And each one of them said, unequivocally, “Yes, without a doubt.  Had I done what I had been doing for years, who knows what would have happened?”  

“But knowing that I was comfortable with where I was because of my own abilities, I was confident in my own abilities, and knowing that I was as strong as I was.  I could take the bad guy for a ride if I really wanted to and I did.  Yes, I was 100 percent confident that my fitness had something to do with me walking away from that."  
That's huge.  When guys start to hear that and see that and understand where that concept goes, where the concept of functional fitness goes beyond just a term, but actually as it relates to our job and as it relates to using the body in its entirety to reach a specific athletic or life-preserving goal.  That's where functional fitness comes in and people see that.  All of a sudden the light goes on and they yell, "Hey, I've got to get some of this."

Jon:    We see the benefits of this are pretty unequivocal.  They get seen by military, law enforcement, by the fire guys.  A lot of them complain to me or will talk to me about the difficulty of the actual implementation of getting the command structure to allow them to do what they're doing for any multitude of fears.  Did you have any issues in Sacramento in getting this implemented?  It sounds like you had a pretty easy in.

Ian:    Yes, it's got a little bit of both.  I think the thing that helped was Lieutenant Englemoyer having the Health and Wellness program kind of in a very premature state already in place.  It was kind of going.  When he implemented this full bore team of people to work on this on a three quarter time basis besides their regular job as cops, doing whatever they did within the department, one of the big questions that came up, and it's probably all over the U.S., is due to our economic situation:  

“How are we going to afford this?” I mean, budgets are a huge concern right now.  It's unbelievable the kind of turmoil we're all facing at different county and state and local level and what not.  So that was a big concern for our department was how are we going to afford this?  

So they had looked to outsourcing to a couple other local, functional fitness groups that are fairly well known, a couple of franchises that they tend to use a variant of what they consider sports specific conditioning.  The application's there to some degree, but not as much as I would like to see or that I necessarily agree with.  

When Englemoyer really presented it he said, "Look, we can do this in house and, in all honesty, it'll probably cost you next to nothing."  That was a huge point for the administration.  That was absolutely huge was that, if they were to outsource it, it would be 25 to God knows how much thousand dollars per year versus staying in-house, it's only going to cost a few hundred dollars.  

The administration that oversaw the project was very supportive of helping us get additional training.  They would say, "Hey, I know we can't pay you guys for this necessarily, but we can help you out with some extra training if you like.  We can get you some classes, some Certifications, whatever you like."  So that was huge because it didn't cost the Department a lot of money.  

The other thing was really implementing it to all levels and not just to the cops but to the civilian staff.  We have a lot of dispatch and we have a lot of records officers.  We have a lot of clerical staff.  And even the administration on the fourth floor, make it something tangible to them.  The one thing I always hear about CrossFit and from people who are unfamiliar with it is they would go to Main Site.  They'd see some fire breather on there, you know, they see Greg Amundson or, OPT on there doing something ungodly fast and just looking like a ripped muscle machine.  They're like, "This is not for me.  I can't do that."  

So you have to take this concept to them and present it to them professionally by a PowerPoint or by one-on-one or some sort of - and really make it understandable that this is something that we can do on the cheap.  We have the equipment.  We have the ability.  We have the instructors.  We have the resources.  We can do it on the cheap and we can scale it to anybody.  

I can beat you down with a piece of PVC as well as a 45-pound bar.  It doesn't matter one bit.  By selling it that way it made a huge impact.  We were able to get people involved throughout the department, we were able to use a lot of our department facilities.  We have numerous station houses across the county that have workout equipment in them.  So that was a plus.  

Our academy gym is a CrossFitters paradise, in all honesty.  It could be another affiliate gym if you walked in there and didn't know differently.  It was - it's got bumper plates and kettle bells and C2 rowers and pull-up machines and squat racks, you name it, it's got it.  It's gorgeous.  

Having that as a resource to us was huge because it was already in place for our academy recruits.  The academy was already implementing CrossFit into their academy training programs.  So we could walk in, pick up where we wanted to and start training very easily and very affordably within the house.  That was a big selling point.  

So cost savings and making it understandable to the administration is probably what's going to do the best trick for people.  That's probably the best area to start selling the administration is making it understandable and making it affordable.

Jon:    Solid piece of advice.  Let's switch gears here a little bit.  Ian, you were a Games competitor last year.

Ian:    Yes, yes, I was.

Jon:    Tell me about the experience.  What's it like in Aromas in that dirt patch?

Ian:    Last year’s Games, I wanted to go in '07 and I couldn't make it because of family commitments.  So in '08 I said, "I'm going one way or the other."  It was kind of bittersweet.  My personal feeling walking away from it was that I did not have the Games I wanted to.  I had worked grave yards the day before, so I only had a few hours of sleep.  I had peaked actually a little bit earlier than I wanted to and I was kind of charting my progress.  

So I was a little off coming into it and it definitely showed some weaknesses in my training, anything going overhead.  So when the heavy Grace came out the last day I knew I was sunk when I heard that.  And I did.  I lost a lot of time there and tumbled down the rank into the 50s.

But nonetheless, all that being said, the event itself was phenomenal.  I mean, it was run well.  It was a great crowd.  The group of not only spectators but competitors, it was bar none, probably the best group of athletes and people I've been around.  I've had the opportunity to race internationally on bikes and see some really phenomenal athletes in their chosen fields.   

But to go there and see the level of athleticism and ability on a multi-planar level, it was unreal.  I mean, it was just unreal to see these guys that were so well-rounded.  And it was a great time.  I had a wonderful time competing.  I would have liked to have done better.

Like I said, I had a couple things that were weaknesses and a couple other issues I could have cleaned up.  But, you know, so it goes.  And it was just - it was a great experience overall.   I'm, unfortunately, not going to be able to make it this year, but, you know, I’m - I'd love to go back again hopefully next year.  We'll see how it goes.

Jon:    Well, very cool, Ian.  Thanks for taking the time to speak with me about your experiences with CrossFit.  Absolutely.  Driving home that point that we're saving Police Officers' lives can never be done enough in my estimation.

Ian:    Yes, and I agree.  I hope more people really get that, understanding that, yes, it is a great means of getting fit and fast.  But it's also a means of really utilizing the tools that we were given to survive a very hard job and a very rigorous and dangerous profession, be it in law enforcement, public safety of some sort or in the military.

There's so much that we glean from it while still getting fit and having a good time.  There's so much more we glean from it on other fronts that it is so well worth it to devote the time and the effort to understanding the protocol and training yourself.  Spending some time with a knowledgeable trainer or coach and it just makes a world of difference when the chips are down.

Jon:    Very cool.  Thanks, Ian.

Ian:    You're welcome, Jon.  Take care.

Pictures courtesy of Ian Carver, CrossFit Centurion, and the CrossFit Journal.

Comments

[Bill]

Thank you, Jon. Fantastic interview as usual!

[Alex Kay]

Phenomenal interview, very interesting and inspiring. Thanks, Jon.

[Jack]

Great interview! Very insightful and inspiring!

Thanks,
Jack

[Zach Behrens]

Great interview, Jon! Interesting what Ian said about the firefighters coming in first. Out here in Los Angeles, I know a lot of women use Valley Crossfit to train before they go into LA Fire Department training.